I'm new to this site- heck, I'm new to making art of any kind- but I notice that all my submissions are being rated extremely low. I mean LOW, nothing is above 4 yet and most everything is in the 1 to 2 range. I'm not Da Vinci by any stretch and I don't pretend to think it compares at all to any other work on this site, but does this mean my work really is just garbage? I do this for fun so it's not like I'm worried about it affecting my income, but I'd hate to think I was just wasting my time making crap other people will hate when I think it's decent. No one will leave reviews so I don't even know what I need to do to improve. Is this unique to me? Help a newbie out.

If people zero bomb you without elaborating,then not only is their vote useless,but paying attention to their shenanigans is their victory. Dont even consider stopping with your art for some 12 year old anons

I think the more you interact with the types of people that go around giving zeros, the more you'll realize just how little those people matter, to anyone. 99 times out of 100, they've made no contributions to the site, they have no talents or competencies to speak of, and they're mad that other people are doing things with their lives.

They target new users to make them give up, hoping that doing so will make you as pathetic as they are. If you're established and see your otherwise good score take a hit from some weirdly judgemental user, they're always trying to unload their inadequacies onto someone with life skills.

Alternative to what the other two said, you’re drawing exclusively one very niche thing here. Nearly perfectly on-model erotic art of one Star Trek: Lower Decks character looks to be your entirely gallery. There is no variety here, so the people who would see it are the same people rating low every time, a zero-bomber or two is definitely a possibility on top of this.

In all of your submissions the character is so on-model, the art feels really stiff and honestly can be mistaken for traced, or even copy/pasted wholesale from the show in some cases.

This is further not helped by the fact that the show’s art style looks like family guy, a style that a lot of people, especially people who would be on a site like NG, are pretty over in general.

I’m not saying you should stop drawing what you like here; but understand it’s niche and not likely going to get better reviews/ratings in the future.

Yeah, I get all that. It's got strikes against it. First and foremost it's a niche character that most fans of the show haven't warmed to yet and might not want to see this way for whatever reason. But some do. She does have her following and other art of her gets higher marks, I noticed.

I haven't been doing this for very long and I started by doing tracings of screencaps and them modifying them. Then I moved to tracings of heads onto new bodies I created. Now I'm moving to more realistic features and new bodies and poses of my own and some detail with shading to make it look more realistic. I'm playing with styles trying to find one I like yet still keep the character recognizable. I had to start somewhere and that's why I went with the cartoon style up to now.

It isn't bad work, though. It's hard to know what people like and don't like unless they tell you and usually they don't. Voting is impersonal to a point. I know I shouldn't look at it and just make what I like but I want to do her better justice.

Thanks to all who replied, it helped a lot!

yeah there's a group of people who zero-bomb me along with very nasty personal attacks whenever they see me. It's awful cause I depend on ratings to know whether I'm headed in the right direction after pouring my heart into some of my work.

As Skoops said, though; yeah they do very little to the website besides post stick figures, favorite very questionable porn, and talk a big mouth in General Forums about dumb shit subjects. Sometimes, I debate whether to even interact with people here anymore considering I give more than I get

Sometimes i think it would be better to simply get rid of the voting system.

YouTube did the right thing. Stick with a thumbs up or down button, not stars; hide the downvotes from the public; but still let the creator know about mass dislikes in some way. From a psychology / respect perspective, this is the right way. It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.

NG staff, as I've been told in no uncertain terms, are primarily volunteers. I don't know if this extends to website programming. If this is true, it would be too much to ask this site to change. A programmer would need to grandfather-in old votes, and build a new system on top -- in the middle of a developer exodus. I wouldn't suggest change at the time of writing.

Sorry to OP! I can't comment on cartoons/anime as I just don't consume such content, but empathize with the concern about "the doots". I won't de-rail your thread and am going away now ;). Good luck!

Newgrounds Staff are all staff, they also have moderation power, but they are on payroll. Moderators are volunteers.

people who browse nsfw art will think with their genitals. They see something that doesn't get their rocks off? Instant zero. Porn is about the content, not the skill level. I don't like that it's like that but it is what it is. You're better off ignoring the score coz it rarely reflects your actual skill.

If you want feedback, maybe make an art thread and post studies. Forum goers seem to like responding to practice stuff

That's all true. Strangely enough,though, the ones where she is clothed are doing better than the others....

that's probably because the voters/viewers are completely different people cuz yknow, users can filter by maturity ratings so you're getting totally different viewers based on that alone

Sometimes people throwing personal attacks and zero-bombings can get the better of us and I'm no exception to when people do that to me. But I also know my self worth and just keep doing what I'm doing.

If anything I have to learn how to bite my tongue just because half the people who give me shit aren't even people worth interacting with to begin with, especially if it's over petty shit. But it also comes down to how my moralistic behavior can get when people do stupid shit.

Hell I even know that I'll make 100 bad works for every 1 good one, still doesn't stop me and chances are there are people who are going to like some of the works I see as bad.

The thing about art is that it isn't any different from writing. In some sense, you're basically exposing your ass for the world to see and eventually it will fuck you, or make sweet love to you. It's that kind of vulnerability that puts you, the creative in a position where if you keep honing your craft the people who make sweet love to you are going to matter more than the people who just fuck you.

So just do you. Get naked and make love to your work and don't stop for no one.

you have such a way with words wtf lmao

I love it

I should read the poem I made at some point and make an audio recording with it.

At the very least I can put my creative writing minor to good use in that regard.

Great way to put it, thanks for the encouragement!

I'm not whining about getting low scores or anything like that you understand, I'm just curious why most of them would be scored so low. I know it's basically crap work but I want to get better and that's hard to do if people don't tell you what they like and don't like about a particular work. If they don't like the character that's one thing, but if I need to work on my style, my technique or make them seem more animated, then I'd like to know that and maybe even get some tips on how to do it. It's how I learn.

I think it's a bad voting system if someone can bomb your work just out of spite. It should be up or down, nothing in between. Someone might have thought that this kind of system would gauge art accurately but it really just allows for more abuse. Other sites don't even allow downvoting and I think that's better. The system here should be modified, I think.

Well, if they're not going to leave any criticism anyway, constructive or otherwise, which they don't, then what's the point? New artists like me depend on it to get better. I can't infer anything from a vote bomb other than my work sucks.

While I don't get review bombed, I've noticed a similar phenomenon, so you're not crazy. I've only recently started posting stuff. Normally I mainly post stuff on my website.

I've often noticed a disconnect between my analytics as well, and reviews I get here. For example, if something is rated low here, why does it keeping getting new views on my main site.

Part of it may be do to the fact that I do manga, and there is a lot of western art here.

I did however used to get review bombed on RoyalRoad, compared to say Wattpad.

These zerobombers are probably just DeviantArt kids and FNF simps. Your art is good though.

In theory it’s up or down, but the more someone leaves ratings, the more XP they get, and the more they level up on the site, and then their ratings count for multiples of a single vote.

Which means, now that I think about it, that someone on a crusade against porn (or against anything that looks like one of THOSE DeviantArt accounts) might have years worth of zeroes under their belt and be able to completely obliterate your score.

Eh, if they ain’t leaving a review it ain’t worth anything, to be honest. (Though, on a different subject in this thread, if you want my advice is that variety is the spice of life.)

Keep on posting till a dumb moderator permanently bans you 👍(-_-)👍